Points system

WA - Amateur Football Leagues Perth Football League
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Wow,
Very surprised there has been no mail on footygoss with the release of recent guidlines issued regardling the immediate points allowance.
First off…great idea and huge step forward for the credibility of the WAAFL!

That said can i just ‘open’ the topic with my thoughts on a transition period?

To cop 30 points max straight up is pretty tough…i think clubs need time to get playing lists/organization in order.
My 5c worth is 2019/40 points; 2020/35 points and then 2021 the 30 points.
That way the loyality ‘card’ comes into play…as it stands clubs that loaded up in 2018 with players that would be considered going fwd high end points are going to be unwittingly favoured.

Regardless…fantastic and long overdue strategy, kudos yo those involved.

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Sorry,
Correct myself. Should have said 2019/40, 2020/40, 2021/35 and then 2022 the 30 points.

That allows loyalty to come into play and i believe is the fairest way fwd for all clubs.

Lets have some feedback ay.

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Great concept and long overdue but it really won’t be hard to stay under the 30 point cap given that all players currently your list are worth 1 point each in 2019 whether they are an ex-AFL, WAFL League player or have come straight out Juniors.

Look at this years A Grade GF sides, 3 ex-AFL players and 23 ex-WAFL League players running around worth a total of 44 points in 2019 under the proposed PPS model. If it was calculated as it should be with the players attracting points based on their football experience, minus loyalty point deductions the two sides combined would total close to 80 points.

Compare that to other A grade clubs with 1-5 ex-WAFL league players and already sitting under the 30 point cap at full value, also calculated at 22 points in 2019 under the proposal.

Doesn’t make sense

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What a weak decision by a board looking after the purple circle clubs.
They stay strong and everyone else aren’t allowed to recruit to get stronger.
2 years off discussions and a limp fisted effort by the WAAFL.

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Personally, I’m very happy to see it in.

I’m a little disappointed that Option A was selected rather than Option B, as this allows some of the practises perpetrated by various Clubs over the years to remain in the system for the next few years until they ‘wash’ out.

It may also allow some Clubs to continue these practises for several more years - eg recruiting 4 x 3 point players over this summer will still leave your League team with 30 points (providing the other 18 players are all 1 point players). It then remains to be seen what the points cap will be in 2020 - with luck, it will remain at 30 or close to that figure.

Having said that, we now at least have a system for all of us to work with.

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So the existing clubs that are rorting are being indorsed by the board to continue on for 3-5 more years and as a kicker encouraged to bring in a couple more players?

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lads help me understand the rules.

So a player that is from your club is a one point player, how may points if you recruit a player from another club?

Thanks

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UHT,
Yes thats my point of transition…i would like to think ‘unwittingly’
some “clubs” have been favoured!

Great concept, however now (WAAFL) you have ‘bit’ the bullet and given ‘us’ all
somesort of future level playing field…pls go the extra distance and
get the inception as fair as poss?

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So the clubs who have cheated the salary cap and ‘recruited’ several ex-AFL and WAFL League players to their club over the last 3 or 4 years since the introduction of a Points System began to be discussed, now get rewarded for cheating the system and maintain that advantage for another 3 to 4 years.

Was told only 2 of 50 clubs from A Grade through to C3 wanted the Player Points System that was adopted by the Board. The other 48 clubs supported Option B which would have seen all players currently on a clubs list had their points value calculated on the highest level of football they had played in the previous 3 seasons

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Two options were proposed:

Option A: Line in the sand: All players listed on the team sheet who were registered with your club as at 1st July 2017 allocate 1 point, then apply PPS categories to players who joined your club between 1st July 2017 to 30th June 2018.

or

Option B: Retrospective: All players registered at your WAAFL club as at 1st July 2018 will be subject to full application of the PPS; i.e. the 3-year look-back and loyalty deductions applied accordingly.

Option A has been chosen.

I suspect ‘salary caps’ are another couple of years away at least - if ever.

Summary Player Points Categories
5 points - AFL. Played 1+ match in the current or previous 3 seasons.

4 points - WAFL (League) or equivalent (SANFL, VFL, NEAFL, TSL, NTFL). Played 5+ matches in the current or previous 3 seasons.

3 points - WAFL (Reserves/Colts) or equivalent (SANFL, TSL, NTFL, Vic Premier 1 Div,TAC Cup). Played 5+ matches in the current or previous 3 seasons
Senior Community League player - WAAFL, WACFL, MFL, interstate competition. Played 5+ matches in the current or previous 3 seasons.

2 points - Senior Community Reserves or Colts player - WAAFL, WACFL, MFL, interstate competitions. Played 5+ matches in the current or previous 3 seasons.

1 point - Club of Origin WAAFL (as per definition). Transferring junior - transfers direct from junior club. Absent - long-term injured WAAFL (as per definition). Not played competitive football in the current or previous 3 seasons.

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How do u know those clubs cheated redlegs? does having ex AFL and WAFL players mean you are cheating? Well the club im at had blokes come over from another club cause of the internal bullshit. We play in lower C grade and option B would kill our team in 2019 for doing what?? playing guys that just want to play footy. did the clubs who ‘voted’ for option B know what the cap was before they ‘voted’

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How do u know those clubs cheated redlegs? does having ex AFL and WAFL players mean you are cheating? Well the club im at had blokes come over from another club cause of the internal bullshit. We play in lower C grade and option B would kill our team in 2019 for doing what?? playing guys that just want to play footy. did the clubs who ‘voted’ for option B know what the cap was before they ‘voted’
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When a teams League coach goes out of his way on Grand Final day to say that his players arent paid it sounds a bit fishy doesn’t it? Well quite clearly stacking your team with ex AFL and WAFL players is a significant reason why these rules are being brought in, to promote local development and keeping a more even competition.

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Correct me if I’m wrong George, but isn’t the implementation of a Player Points System a direct result of the feedback the WAAFL has received over a number of years from a large percentage of clubs that believe several clubs operate outside of the current $0 salary cap?

Why implement a Points System at all if the WAAFL believes all clubs are playing within the rules?

Was a Points Cap for Option A or B discussed prior to the Clubs being asked to provide feedback on which option they preferred? Or were the clubs asked to choose which option they preferred with the Points Cap to be set by the Board after the Model was determined?

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So disappointing,
Just when you think things are improving in the credibility department (wth a points system finally coming in)
You then get info trinkling back 2 options are on table options A and B clubs vote overwhelmingly with option B
Approx 3 against the majority!

Then comes to ‘light’ WAAFL board go with option A, i think going against the majority vote for the benefit of 3 could be termed “prorecting Vested Interests” (I take a wild stab here and guess the premiers C3 and G/f participants from A grade were probably the 3?)

If ALL clubs are to be treated fair we need to go with a transition period failing that we need to go with the majority, option B !
Club presidents need to make strong representation about at President meeting and WAAFL workshops.

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anyone hear of a petition going around to spill the board over this?

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Option A treats all clubs the same, it gives everyone a bit of transition as we would all have to change our recruiting approach without worrying about losing any current league players.

I could be wrong so correct me if I am but reading the circular correctly…… If option b got up with a cap round 40 to 44 points - Jandakot, Wanneroo, Kwinana, Basso, Warnbro, Manning, North Beach, TA, Kingsway, Canning, Ozzie Park, Balla, Coolbinia, Nolla, Scarbs, CBC will have no opportunity to recruit or will have to cut current players next year and maybe the next 3-4 years till loyalty kicks in. Ya laughing if you are Hamersley, Ridge train, Willo & Kinga…. they can go on a recruiting spree for years the very thing redlegs says has to stop. No wonder Kinga is hassling my president to vote for option b.

At least option A everyone is starting even and our coach wont have to tell any of our league blokes they miss out next season. Wouldn’t all clubs want to ensure player points have little effect on them next season? I think that is what you refer to stinker as’protecting Vested Interests’ . I would love to see the show of hands on this vote at the club meeting as we would see which clubs have done there homework

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George C , why would you apposed a transition period that allows all clubs equal opportunity to get
their playing lists in order.

As it stands with option A those clubs that through “luck” significantly strengthened their list in 2018 are given
a significant addvantage.

Yes would love to see a show of hands at next meeting to see if ALL clubs agree with the integrity of board decision!!

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From my perspective its a step in the right direction.

We seem to always look at all the negatives, but seek change. BUT when change is made we look for more negatives.

After a year or 2 the league will level out so be patient and give it time for all clubs to ajust to the changes suggested.

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SBD…that is the whole point of a transition period!

To allow clubs to adjust.

Why have a vote and then ignore results..hmm

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I think either way its set up, people wont be happy.

What it reflects to me as a key is clubs that don’t have colts will struggle over time. So the key to all these problems is get your club to sort its sh1t out with junior clubs in your area, have strong junior feeder clubs/zones and make sure the culture of colts at your club is strong.