Where to from here for Swans?

As I stared into the abyss that was Swans season yesterday, I came to the conclusion that the club has reached another “John Todd” moment. What I mean by this is that the club has a core of experienced but well and truly “past it” senior players who are not performing and need to be moved on, but because the coaching staff are all insiders, they are not going to be able to make these hard decisions on players who have been very good servants of the club. It will take someone from completely outside the club to come in a ruffle a few feathers like Toddy did almost 50 years ago.

The club will otherwise lurch around in mediocrity if something doesnt change.
Of yesterdays team I think the club need to make calls on the following players

Max Chipper- skills not up to WAFL standard
William Reidy - never delivered on his potential
Nathan Blakely - a gutsy trier but too slow
Troy Yukich- ditto
Alex Howard - really hasnt picked up the pace since he came back
Tony Notte - pains me to say it because he is a legend of the club but he is now struggling
Jackson McLachlan- a real goer but too small and pushed around too easily
Anthony Stephens - Was a very reliable defender but less reliable this year
Connor Blakely - has lost pace and is being found out at this level
Thats 10 out of yesterdays team that the club should be looking at closely as well as Brad Lynch who played reserves yesterday. Not saying that they should get rid of them all but there needs to be a judgement as to what each of these guys offers the team on an ongoing basis as opposed to giving a young player an opportunity.

Thats a brutal assessment I know but I think a clean out is necessary if the club is to get anywhere close to the lofty goals they set themselves. The rest of 2025 would be better spent giving more opportunities to the young reserves players who have been so good this year. They will cop some thrashings for sure but that will be more palatable than watching an aging team struggle against better teams. At least they will be rebuilding as John Todd did so many years ago

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Sounds like you members need to speak up directly with those in charge mike. Approach those at the top and ask some tough and direct questions and let them know you’re not happy where your club is heading. Members have to speak up at the AGM but I wouldn’t be waiting for that.

My club seems to be heading in the right direction now by getting the right people involved. I believe it started when champions from the 60’s and 70’s started coming back to the club like Bob Shields, Colin Lofts and Brian Cook.

They enticed Adrian Barich to take over as President. Peter German came and Mark Stone came as an assistant and took over when German departed and the club poached Brad Dodd from EF and he’s been massive.

Have to give credit to former CEO and ex Demon Russell Clark who through his son Jordan managed to entice a few ex Geelong boys to Lathlain.

We haven’t achieved anything yet but we are heading in the right direction at last but as we know in second tier comps things can change quickly for the worst.

We suffered terribly with injuries over the last few years and I know we rely heavily on the fitness of our A grade recruits. Lost one of them against EF two weeks ago and it made a huge difference.

Losing Rokhar and Edwards obviously took the wind out of your sails from a very good 2024. Notte should have retired 2 years ago.

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Swans and Subi are both in trouble. Feels like the late 1970s again. I wonder who will bounce back first or will we both be down for an extended period?

Feels like Subi might be in more trouble.

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An accurate assessment on player strengths and weaknesses, with weaknesses compensated for last year by others that are not in the team at the moment due to injury or other decisions.

What I find remarkable about the league team’s performances is the game style used compared with the seconds that are sitting on top - one would think that some continuity would occur.

I have never been a favourite of Hodyl as president. He is probably a good person, but anyone who supported Harding for so long suggests a lack of astuteness and someone wanting routine and leaning toward cronyism. If we want change - and we look at our own club’s history - it was presidents bringing in and supporting game changing coaches like Cooper with Todd, and Bright and Bunton. However, it wouldn’t surprise if discussions are had with Harding to come back. That would be a disaster.

That least the players are there in the seconds and colts, but if we do not give them opportunities or if there’s any hint of nepotism they will walk.

I agree with the above comments from Mike and SH and I have posted before that some players should have been tapped on the shoulder earlier as it was pretty obvious that they were not playing at the standard needed or expected, unfortunately these hard decisions were not made and now its become blindingly obvious that it cant continue on this season.
That is on top of a few players who have been well off the form they showed in the previous seasons.
To be fair yes we have had a horrific injury list to start with on top of losing Rokahr, Edwards & Glass-McCasker very late in the pre season that still has me shaking my head how you could go in to Rd1 with 10 of our best players missing and to our most important players no less?
And most of those players fill our goal to goal spine with-
Collins (Full Back) collarbone still yet to play a game
Pasini (Centre Half Back) knee injured in 1st pre season game
Trew (Centre) ankle missed the first few, played a couple now gone for the year
Ireland (CHF) groin who would have replaced Edwards but just cant get on the park for nearly 3 seasons now
Now Kohlmann (FF) hamstring after a reasonable start will have missed a month or so.
Throw in key mids like Pina, Cipro, Bright has just come back from a knee reco, and a couple of others I havent seen an injury list like it for sometime and it seems to me it is in the mindset of some of the players who are not playing with any dash, dare or confidence.
With all of the above out it would have been a perfect opportunity for mine to get some League games in to some of our promising young players.
Hopefully we have already started looking to 2026 as this season is done and recruitment of key personnel is required and we dont sit on our hands thinking this year was just one of those bad luck years!
But when its all said and done will the club act on this…???

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Swans are way in front of us JL.
They have been hit hard with injuries to good players and still managed to beat us by 12 goals.

I think we were ahead of swans in 1977 but they got a good coach and we pissed around with the likes of Douge, Burton, Daniel etc until we eventually saw the light in 1984 and walah success followed.
Strange what a good coach can do hey!

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The other thing I have noticed is the dramatic drop off in crowds at Bassendean this year which indicates to me that many Swans supporters have lost the faith. There has seemed to be as many opposition supporters at the ground which is unheard of

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Sadly the case. I couldn’t get to Saturday’s game but listened to it on the radio. One of the commentators said that a decision against Swans in front of the McDonald Stand is very brave…well, not this year. There were even a few Peel supporters in the stand a few weeks’ back.

Crowds are down across the board, our game on Saturday was actually the biggest crowd of the round but yes ours are down simply due to the poor standard we have produced so far in 2025.
Not sure where you sit Mike but there were barely 100 Claremont supporters there they just had a lot more to cheer about than the Swans fans who had to sit through a pitiful 4 goals on top of the 8, 6, 8, 6, 8 we have managed in 6 of our games this season!

The reality is that today’s WAFL is a recruiting game. As few as 2-3 A grade recruits can change a club’s fortunes overnight. The problem is that it isn’t sustainable. Perth are a good example, where most of our best players are recruits - Schlensog, Clarke, Constable, Simpson, Parfitt, Derksen from ES, Wills, Johnston, Thorne, Kemp Paton, Randall, Edwards from other clubs. It costs money and you are always at the mercy of players going home, as SD found with Rokahr. C never bottom out because they have zones which give them a good base of local player which can be supplemented by recruits. Other clubs don’t have that luxury. So if SD get a good run with injuries and recruit well, you can turn it around quickly. Problem is, it won’t last more than a season or two.

A priority for your club should be trying to entice Denver Grainger-Barrass back to your club, maybe before the June 30 deadline. Apparently trained on with Carlton in the off season in the hope of getting picked up but was unsuccessful.

But decided to play for their VFL side but only played one game in round 4 for 9 posessions.

Assuming he’s got some injury problems but at 23 and 194cm he’s got plenty of football in front of him and would be a 1 point player. Get him back in the WAFL and get him fit.

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Ted dont forget you guys (Perth) also have a bigger salary cap and points cap than we have to utilise on these recruits.
That may change next year if positions stay current.
We have a shite load of points to use with only Chalcraft (5), McLachlan (5- but that will reduce next year his 4th) & Pina (2) over the 1 point mark.
Over to our FD to get to work now!

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What are the club’s finances like? Before the start of the season I was surprised that the club did not chase Hughes and GB with more vigour. As said, there was no issue with points…

Good call surprised it hasnt been mentioned especially with Pasini getting injured he would be great get for Swans.

Who was your CEO? Your club just advertised for a new CEO.

So, a couple of weeks ago Swans beat West Perth. Just. And thereby keeping the wooden spoon from lapping at their feet. Of course, it was greeted by some with the usual fatuous “Woohoo. Go the Black Ducks”. Let’s put it in perspective. Currently West Perth are a shambles. But they still won the grand final 3 years ago.

Then the game against East Perth.

The game against was lost before it started. Selected a skinny third gamer ruckman as the sole ruckman against Jones. Game was lost there. A replication of last year when Evan Smith, then a colt, was selected to ruck against Jones. Absolutely incomprehensible.

The effort was insipid and a disgraceful way for an ornament to the club, and football in general, to bow out of football, after having seen no success in his 18 years at the club.

There was absolutely no movement ahead of the ball. I saw a player with the ball in the back pocket look up and see no one ahead. And when the ball did manage to get into the forward line if and (when) Kohlman couldn’t take the mark there were no crumbers and the ball would readily come out. What is the role of the 171cm Jackson McLachlan?

Then the game against South. Again, no movement ahead of the ball. Awful sideways football and turnovers aplenty. Had a 6 goal wind in the first quarter and attacked through Ethan Hughes. Just snaggedg 1 goal on the cusp of the end of the quarter. Good to see the coach drop Brenton Hilton for the game for a lad who looked like he’d never played football in his life - had a selection of 3 unattended Swan players (an unusual situation) and managed to hit Schloithe on the chest, and give them a goal into the wind.

The coaching panel could do a lot worse than access John Townsend’s assessment of Swans’ “game plan” on Sport FM.

Once again the club is limping along with no prospects of finals and the wooden spoon mathematically possible.

The rot starts with the opening line on the Club’s web site. “Swans has a proud over 90-year history.” Not they don’t. They have a negative win-loss ratio against all other clubs. They do not appear regularly in finals. They’ve gone broke twice. What such a statement does is exemplify delusion and the ready acceptance of underperformance or, might I suggest, mediocrity.

One of the few blips was when a young HB Jnr came across and told them to lose the lame duck.

Let’s put the Rokhar furphy to bed. He did not go back to Norwood for “family reasons”. His wife is from Perth and was homesick and so they came to Perth to live. They had recently bought a house in Perth. His parents live in country Victoria. He went back to Norwood because they have a professional football department, of which he wanted to be a part. Look at the pedigree of their current coach and his immediate successor. For that matter, look at their web page and the quality and timeliness of the information that they provide.

I am sure that Swans’ coach is a beaut bloke and a loyal Swans’ fellow. Most admirable. But what were the KPIs when he applied for, and was rapidly given, the job? Was it a game plan? How did he meet those KPIs and what experience was brought?

The pre-season list management was very unusual. Worse than unusual was not finding a decent ruckman. Whilst I’m sure he also is a beaut bloke, Troy Yukich is not, and never has been, a league footballer. Trawl back and see how many marks a lad of his size has taken (even in reserves). He is the Steven Bradbury of premiership medallists.

Losing Jesse Glass-McCasker and having a black hole at centre-half-forward is an interesting one.

The league has won one game at home this year, against the Eagles, and that wasn’t a shoe-in.

A decent crowd turned out for Tony Notte’s last game, and it was an opportunity to entertain those who turned up and give them a reason to return. The game was dreadful. 2 goals in a half of footy in those conditions. Game against South no better. 4 goals at home against Claremont. People don’t want to watch that. I sure as hell don’t.

On that point. Swans shouldn’t be worried about the attendances this year. They should be extremely concerned. The attendances have been very poor. I know people who have stopped going because they have no interest in enduring the on-field performances.

All that said, I feel very sorry for the lads putting in all that energy week in-week out to have the outcomes that they have had. In my view, better guided, they could do a lot better.

Another issue of concern is the impending departure of Jeff Dennis. I think that he has been an excellent CEO who generally has sought to be innovative and has provided the club with good stewardship. (That said, what is it with AC/DC and the redneck “Sweet Home Alabama”?) He will be extremely difficult to replace.

I am unclear as to whether this a “rebuilding” or “being competitive” year. It is hard to keep up. In my view, the club has gone, and will continue to go, nowhere with the league team with Andy Cap in charge of the football department. He needs to put aside whatever it is that leads him to believe that he has something to offer the football department, reflect on his record to date, and do the right thing by the club and move aside, immediately.

Cue the apologists and injury laments.

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Wow pretty epic post for your first one GeneralSoreness. Welcome to Ozfootball. Great to have another Swans supporter on board. I totally agree with 99% of your post. One thing I will say is that you will not find any apologists on here. If you check back to the Swans threads over the past few seasons you will find that the regular posters (Danger, Beasley Hutton, Success Hill etc) have been saying a lot of the same things that you have summarised so beautifully in your post. There has been so many signs that the strategy adopted by the football department and the game plan are not set up for long term success and there is a need for a refresh and reset with some new people

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Welcome General Soreness.
As Mike posted agree 99% with what you have written above, Im just sick and tired of the mediocrity that our football department has become in the last decade or so and all of the decisions they have made be it coaches, staff, recruitment etc etc.
The glaring one for me was the lack of recruiting a key forward, in fact we need 2!!!

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Great summary from GS - agree with all of it. I would go one step further and say I and many of my friends and family no longer support the club like we once did on game day as we dont like the club shoving social issues down out throats. Just give us a competitive team and by that I mean Mens League Footy - what the club was built on!
I dont care about the rest of it apart from the colts. Flying flags, wearing colorful socks, feeding the homeless, running workshops, increasing match day experiences, celebrating average performances and trying to please minoritys - forget about it - its not your job. Just make us feel better by being able to go and watch a good brand of footy, have a few beers and enjoy peoples company.

I have to laugh about the crap they promote to get kids to the footy these days - in my day match day experience was watching from behind the goals, trying to get a touch of the footy and sprinting out after the game to get a autograph or two..then kicking on the ground for an hour. How good!

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I understand where you are coming from with this and I have heard others expressing the same views. To be honest I think it is a cop out to blame the community work and other stuff that the club is doing for the poor performances of the mens team. Other clubs also get involved with the community and inclusivity programs yet still manage to put teams out on the park that contend on a consistent basis.
The club is on a sound footing financially so you would assume the Football department has the same resources as other clubs but have consistently failed to produce teams and game plans that stack up against the best in the WAFL.
From what I have seen there doesnt seem to be any accountability from the players and coaches when they don’t perform “We tried our best, we’ll have another go next week”. There seems to be no KPIs (apart from the ones I see on the glossy brochures which are a long way off the mark)

There are too many buddies on the coaching panel, it appears to me that they are all very chummy with the players and vice versa. Little challenge or accountability. Noone seems to be saying “this is not good enough”

I have said many times this season that the club needs an outsider to come in and make some tough calls like a Mark Stone has done at Perth. I am hopeful that the new CEO can be a bit of a change agent here and give some tough feedback.

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