Well well well, I stumbled across an interview on YouTube with Sam Newman interviewing Sam Kekovich. Five minutes into the interview Kekovich tells how he became a North Melbourne player.
His older brother was already playing for Carlton and he was signed on a form four to play for Carlton. But in 1968 the VFL introduced zones and one of the rules was the best performed country zone was assigned to the worst performed VFL side.
I’ve been arguing for a long time about zone changes and one of the arguments I have put forward is why can’t they give the weaker clubs stronger country zones and why should a club with the strongest metro zone also have one of the strongest country zones ie Claremont?
Country kids wouldn’t follow WAFL teams they follow AFL teams these days and once they leave their country town it shouldn’t matter where they end up.
Now I’ve heard that Claremont could be losing Albany to be divided up between Perth and Swan Districts. I would argue Swans already have one of if not the best talent breeding grounds in Bunbury.
But there you go the VFL have been doing this since 1968 so it’s nothing new or unusual. If it was considered fair back then then it’s a fair policy to employ today.
Here’s a link to the interview. And listen how he talks about how happy he was to go to a club on it’s knees and experience seeing the joy of seeing a struggling club have success. What a great idea instead of the lopsided bullshit we’ve seen year in year out in the WAFL for several decades.
I guess if Perth had Cl country zones and their success over the years, and Cl were struggling as Perth have done over the years. Would Perth and their fans be happy to swap zones to help Cl? Can see the obvious need to do so, but not sure it will ever happen.
[quote=“Freezin post=232447 userid=945”]I guess if Perth had Cl country zones and their success over the years, and Cl were struggling as Perth have done over the years. Would Perth and their fans be happy to swap zones to help Cl? Can see the obvious need to do so, but not sure it will ever happen.
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Claremont wouldn’t have struggled, they would still have the best metro zone and still have a country zone. It would create more of a level playing field. Isn’t that what we want or are you and Claremont and a few other clubs happy to stick with the status quo that’s served you so well??
DD Swans have been the biggest losers in the Wafc zone,reallocations.Swans. have struggled in the last decade.Only squeezing into the finals, two times.
Losing all zones west of West Swan Road
Apart from Averly.That they will lose in the next rezone.Even Caversham thats only a couple of Km’s from Basso oval.
Three Wafl clubs share Bunbury.Swans ,EP and Peel.
[quote=“gtrxuone post=232449 userid=2215”]DD Swans have been the biggest losers in the Wafc zone,reallocation. Swans have struggled in the last decade.Only squeezing into the finals, two times.
Losing all zones west of West Swan Road
Apart from Averly.That they will lose in the next rezone.Even Caversham thats only a couple of Km’s from Basso oval.
Three Wafl clubs share Bunbury.Swans ,EP and Peel.
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Really gtr I didn’t know that just always see SD have quite a few players from Bunbury on their list. Does East Perth have exclusive access to Busselton, Margaret River and Augusta?
I was made aware probably before you guys I might have broke it to you a couple of years ago that you were losing a bunch of suburbs around Ellenbrook, Dayton, Caversham etc… Seems grossly unfair if are not being compensated. Your club has had some colts success but you are marginally a better performed league club than Perth over a fair stretch.
Yep DD south Bunbury and Agusta +Margs
Good country zone
Freo need a complete Peel takeover.Thats the only way we fix the zone inequality. South’s push into Mandurah. And Perth pick up what they have now.
Or Perth relocate SE of Lathlain Park.And force the Commission to reallocate the zones.
It’s really hard going for the 3 eastern suburb clubs.Swans,EP+,Perth.Compared to the western suburbs clubs.Who have over 80% of the population living under 20 kms from the coast.
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SF lost all of Rockingham, Mandurah, Baldivis, Peel area when Peel Thunder were introduced. Got nothing in return. Was given very new areas called Piara Waters, Harrisdale, etc which were then given to other clubs! ?
DD from memory, before this year, EF were 2nd in the queue for premiership droughts…and anything good that comes out of our country zone, goes into the AFL and stays there for sometime. In our premiership team, I don’t think there was anyone from EF designated country zone…so yeah EF definitely reaping the fruits of their country zone.
[quote=“Freezin post=232455 userid=945”]DD from memory, before this year, EF were 2nd in the queue for premiership droughts…and anything good that comes out of our country zone, goes into the AFL and stays there for sometime. In our premiership team, I don’t think there was anyone from EF designated country zone…so yeah EF definitely reaping the fruits of their country zone.
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And my club has produced the second highest number of 100+ game AFL draftees after EF over the last 30 years. Let’s remember this includes metro zones where your club is leading the way alongside Claremont with 66 draftees each. You’ve had 28 go on to play 100+ AFL games compared with Claremont 14. Perth have had 41 drafted with 15 playing 100+. That’s second on the 100+ game list.
I suggest the overall quality of your combined zones reaps your club a lot more fruit than ours and most others.
And I go back to my argument I started several years ago that my club pales into comparison with most other clubs when it comes to producing tall key position players and ruckmen. I backed this up with statistics from all lists between clubs. We are always crying out for KPP and ruckmen while some clubs have them growing on trees.
so that means South Fremantle are 3rd on the list considering we gave up all areas south to Bunbury when Mandurah were created - all those players would have been in our zones
you talk about what’s been lost or not got go and have a look at how we’ve been affected by that alignment
I am not sure those numbers are correct on the WA players (1993-2023) with 100 AFL games played, I only looked at the Swans players which posted 12 and yet I counted 17 below-
Craig Callaghan- 124 games
Adam Hunter- 151 games
Andrew Embley- 250 games
Dennis Armfield- 145 games
Lewis Jetta- 202 games
Jeff Garlett- 185 games
Alex Rance- 200 games
Neville Jetta- 159 games
Nic Naitanui- 213 games
Clancee Pearce- 100 games
Chris Yarran- 119 games
Michael Walters- 222 games
Rory Lobb- 160 games
Nathan Broad- 126 games
Stephen Coniglio- 202 games
Charlie Cameron- 202 games
Ethan Hughes- 101 games
*Sam Taylor on 93 games currently, Scott Cummings drafted in 1992 but didnt play in the AFL until 1994 (128 games).
[quote=“Southerner post=232461 userid=1210”]so that means South Fremantle are 3rd on the list considering we gave up all areas south to Bunbury when Mandurah were created - all those players would have been in our zones
you talk about what’s been lost or not got go and have a look at how we’ve been affected by that alignment
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So in other words you grossly underachieved before Peel came in. You should have been dominating like $ubi in the past 20 odd years.
[quote=“Beasley Hutton post=232462 userid=847”]I am not sure those numbers are correct on the WA players (1993-2023) with 100 AFL games played, I only looked at the Swans players which posted 12 and yet I counted 17 below-
Craig Callaghan- 124 games
Adam Hunter- 151 games
Andrew Embley- 250 games
Dennis Armfield- 145 games
Lewis Jetta- 202 games
Jeff Garlett- 185 games
Alex Rance- 200 games
Neville Jetta- 159 games
Nic Naitanui- 213 games
Clancee Pearce- 100 games
Chris Yarran- 119 games
Michael Walters- 222 games
Rory Lobb- 160 games
Nathan Broad- 126 games
Stephen Coniglio- 202 games
Charlie Cameron- 202 games
Ethan Hughes- 101 games
*Sam Taylor on 93 games currently, Scott Cummings drafted in 1992 but didnt play in the AFL until 1994 (128 games).
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I’m sure someone from Codes Sports is watching BH. MD perhaps?
Go back 10 more years and include the likes of Matera, Worsfold, Jakovich x 2, Hart, Bairstow, Winmar, Dorotich, Sumich, Watters and all the rest then we probably top the table quite easily. Just saying.
[quote=“dogman post=232466 userid=985”]Go back 10 more years and include the likes of Matera, Worsfold, Jakovich x 2, Hart, Bairstow, Winmar, Dorotich, Sumich, Watters and all the rest then we probably top the table quite easily. Just saying.
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I guess Dogman you could be onto something there… if SF were the only club in WA providing the VFL/AFL comp with players back in the 80’s & before 93 …but they weren’t mate.
Can think of a few EF and Cl players who were playing in the VFL/ AFL…Krakouers x 2, Hunter, Malaxos, LesterSmith, Judge, Buhagiar, Sewell, Purser, Brennan, Mainwaring, Wilson, Waterman, Harding, Bennett and probably a few others who more than held their own back in the day…
But kudos to you Doggie, for plugging the SF cause mate…
[quote=“Beasley Hutton post=232462 userid=847”]I am not sure those numbers are correct on the WA players (1993-2023) with 100 AFL games played, I only looked at the Swans players which posted 12 and yet I counted 17 below-
Craig Callaghan- 124 games
Adam Hunter- 151 games
Andrew Embley- 250 games
Dennis Armfield- 145 games
Lewis Jetta- 202 games
Jeff Garlett- 185 games
Alex Rance- 200 games
Neville Jetta- 159 games
Nic Naitanui- 213 games
Clancee Pearce- 100 games
Chris Yarran- 119 games
Michael Walters- 222 games
Rory Lobb- 160 games
Nathan Broad- 126 games
Stephen Coniglio- 202 games
Charlie Cameron- 202 games
Ethan Hughes- 101 games
*Sam Taylor on 93 games currently, Scott Cummings drafted in 1992 but didnt play in the AFL until 1994 (128 games).
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Actually even the total number of players drafted from Swans in that period (1993-2023) posted is incorrect.
I have 62 players taken in that time period from Swans, 19 more than the 43 Codesport have listed for Swans!
FYI, I have only looked at the Swans players, I have no doubt the other WAFL clubs figures will be wrong as well!
Yep spot on BH…went to the EF year book from 2022, where there is a designated page listing EF players who have been “drafted” since 1987 into the VFL/AFL and it comes to 125…since 1993 it’s 108…though Strnadica and Joyce have been drafted twice and Dixon is on there when he went to WCE last year from EF…so that’s down to 105…of which, 16 didn’t play a single game for their VFL/AFL side.
I reckon Cl numbers would be over 100 as well…and with Dogman’s abacus prowess, no doubt SF numbers too.
Freeze was looking on You Tube and found the 1979,Wafl GF.
Great game of footy for 3 and a half qtrs
Old East running away in the last 15 minutes .
Really physical first half.Peake,Budgie and a few other East Freo players .Going down a number of times.Reeves taking out the wrong player not Peake.
From that team Taylor,Budgie,Purser,Sewell,Peake,Judge,Leinster Smith.East Freo must of been the first Wafl club raided by the VFL.
I thought Budgie was BOG,Simpson..33 kicks, 3 goals and a dozen tackles.
Other good players Kevin Taylor ,leading goal kicker kicker in 79.Merv Carrot.Len Thompson.Doug Green.The lengendary Mario Turco was solid.Green another solid player.
Very high standard game of footy.