Early days I know but it’s shaping up to be a very close run thing this year if the first 6 rounds are anything to go by. We have 8 teams within 2 games of each other and all with reasonable percentages. That suggests to me there’s been no huge blowouts except for WCER. On their day, any team in the top 8 can have an impact as shown by Perth yesterday. This could turn out to be the best season for many years.
Sure hope it pans out that way BC. The only note of caution I would flag at this stage is that Swans defeat to Subiaco yesterday makes their record against the 4 highest performing teams of the last decade ( Subiaco, Claremont, South Fremantle and West Perth) 2 wins from the past 42 encounters. I reckon East Freos record against these teams would be similar to ours, East Perth and Perth marginally better.
The point I am trying to make here is that there is still a predictability about the results between the top 4 and the others which impacts on peoples interest in the WAFL. Perths unexpected win over South Fremantle was an indication that the gap is narrowing but we need more upsets like this to have a truly competitive season. I think it is still odds on that when the business end of the season comes it will be those 4 dominant teams that will be fighting it out for the flag with the rest of us scrapping for 5th.
[quote=“mikeh post=206160”]Sure hope it pans out that way BC. The only note of caution I would flag at this stage is that Swans defeat to Subiaco yesterday makes their record against the 4 highest performing teams of the last decade ( Subiaco, Claremont, South Fremantle and West Perth) 2 wins from the past 42 encounters. I reckon East Freos record against these teams would be similar to ours, East Perth and Perth marginally better.
The point I am trying to make here is that there is still a predictability about the results between the top 4 and the others which impacts on peoples interest in the WAFL. Perths unexpected win over South Fremantle was an indication that the gap is narrowing but we need more upsets like this to have a truly competitive season. I think it is still odds on that when the business end of the season comes it will be those 4 dominant teams that will be fighting it out for the flag with the rest of us scrapping for 5th.
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Traditionally wet weather can bring about upsets. I am not sure whether the results would have been the same if it had been fine weather.
Yeh beats the shit out of seeing Subiaco sitting on top two or three games clear on 200% with only one likely challenger smashing every opponent. You are slowly coming back to the pack without the millions flowing in.
And top 4 pretty much unlikely to change with 6 or 7 games to go. That scenario has been the routine year in year out for far too long absolutely killing the WAFL and the usual suspects like SF, C and WP making up the numbers in the top 4.
This is looking much more interesting with only EP and WC looking unlikely but EP are capable and need to be respected.
Certainly an interesting season, but for mine Claremont and Subiaco the stand outs by just a tad.
Hang on Bazza, you took Subi apart with ease for 3 qtrs then had a rest and still won in a canter. It’s the usual 3 suspects so far Cl, Su & Souths. Perth showed what they can do with half a team, so if they can bring that consistently when they get those injured boys back they will certainly be in the mix.
For mine there has been no change from the previous 10 seasons or so SU, CL, SF & WP the Top 4 standouts yet again, whilst Peelmantle loaded with Dockers like 2016/17 are a threat.
It is all becoming rather tedious to be honest, same ol same old!
[quote=“Senior Seagull post=206223”]Hang on Bazza, you took Subi apart with ease for 3 qtrs then had a rest and still won in a canter. It’s the usual 3 suspects so far Cl, Su & Souths. Perth showed what they can do with half a team, so if they can bring that consistently when they get those injured boys back they will certainly be in the mix.
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SS not so sure we can win enough games before we get our team on the park.
8 or 9 of your best 22 is hard to cover.
Interesting comment BH..South and Claremont are always up there because of there Rolls Royce zones..We all know $ubiaco had bin loads of cash,from the seating arrangement.
.West Perth have kept a core group of senior players for a long time.. But haven’t recruited heavily in recent years.Or had standout juniors In there zones.Allways written off pre season the last couple of years.But produce enough wins to make finals every year.And also good at winning tight games of footy. .
[quote=“gtrxuone post=206230”]Interesting comment BH..South and Claremont are always up there because of there Rolls Royce zones..We all know $ubiaco had bin loads of cash,from the seating arrangement.
.West Perth have kept a core group of senior players for a long time.. But haven’t recruited heavily in recent years.Or had standout juniors In there zones.Allways written off pre season the last couple of years.But produce enough wins to make finals every year.And also good at winning tight games of footy. .
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WP have been consistently good for a long while now GTR but it is a bit of a furphy that they dont or havent recruited over the last decade or that their side is full of local zone boys.
In their current League/Reserves squad the likes of Manzone, Hamilton, Lloyd, O’Halloran & Schlaghecke all came from Interstate whilst Riddoch (SD), Yukich (SD), Potente (SD), Keitel (EP), Knott (CL), Delaporte (CL), Hobley (SU), French (SU), Jones (P) originally came from other WAFL clubs.
Add in recent retirees Lourey, Keunen, Simpson etc originally came from Vic.
But yes the core of their side has been driven by locals the likes of Black, Nelson, West, Pierce, Moulton, Gaudagnin etc.
[quote=“gtrxuone post=206230”]Interesting comment BH..South and Claremont are always up there because of there Rolls Royce zones..We all know $ubiaco had bin loads of cash,from the seating arrangement.
.West Perth have kept a core group of senior players for a long time.. But haven’t recruited heavily in recent years.Or had standout juniors In there zones.Allways written off pre season the last couple of years.But produce enough wins to make finals every year.And also good at winning tight games of footy. .
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I wouldnt describe the SFFC zone as Rolls Royce, Claremont maybe, EFFC has a footy Blue Blood zone yet has faded from history for decades now. South invests hugely in its zones, you only have to look that whenever the country footy games are on its just about always South that gets involved and wants its regions noticed. That said we have had periods of no finals in the post eagles era.
Perth’s issues stem back decades and are a lot more complex than purely zones, one wonders why they voted for Peels entry if zones caused them problems making the pie even smaller.
I do agree that Subi success has a lot to do with financial resourcing.
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[quote]gtrxuone post=206230Interesting comment BH..South and Claremont are always up there because of there Rolls Royce zones..We all know $ubiaco had bin loads of cash,from the seating arrangement.
.West Perth have kept a core group of senior players for a long time.. But haven’t recruited heavily in recent years.Or had standout juniors In there zones.Allways written off pre season the last couple of years.But produce enough wins to make finals every year.And also good at winning tight games of footy. .
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I wouldnt describe the SFFC zone as Rolls Royce, Claremont maybe, EFFC has a footy Blue Blood zone yet has faded from history for decades now. South invests hugely in its zones, you only have to look that whenever the country footy games are on its just about always South that gets involved and wants its regions noticed. That said we have had periods of no finals in the post eagles era.
Perth’s issues stem back decades and are a lot more complex than purely zones, one wonders why they voted for Peels entry if zones caused them problems making the pie even smaller.
I do agree that Subi success has a lot to do with financial resourcing.
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Well I heard from a prominent Perth benefactor who said an ex WAFC director admitted they deliberately starved Perth of its zones in recent years in the hope we would just fade away. They succeeded handsomely in the first bit but failed miserably on the second. Picked on the wrong club. There needs to be a shake up and as someone said just last week, if Peel opt to take the easy road and extend their alignment with Fremantle then they should be stripped of at least half their zone.
That would enable SF to take back parts of their old zone, EF can get a few off South close to the borders and Perth should pick up Applecross, Mt Pleasant, Rossmoyne and Canningvale. Then I guarantee you will see a much stronger colts and U16’s and a lot more players representing WA from Perth and getting drafted and we won’t need to be so reliant on recruiting. Oh, and the league ladder will look different, will see a lot more red and black in it on a regular basis.
[quote=“Beasley Hutton post=206226”]For mine there has been no change from the previous 10 seasons or so SU, CL, SF & WP the Top 4 standouts yet again, whilst Peelmantle loaded with Dockers like 2016/17 are a threat.
It is all becoming rather tedious to be honest, same ol same old!
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BH some homework for you if you feel so inclined. A comparison of the period 1970 - 1986 and the period 2004 - 2020 in terms of premierships for each club. I am sure that the results would be very interesting and highly illuminating.
BH some homework for you if you feel so inclined. A comparison of the period 1970 - 1986 and the period 2004 - 2020 in terms of premierships for each club. I am sure that the results would be very interesting and highly illuminating.
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42 I have previously posted on here that between the period of country zoning being introduced in 1969 until the end of the first year of the WCE in 1987 every WAFL club won the Premiership at least twice with WP, EF & SD winning 3 times.
Below is the club with its premiership year and also their GF appearances in brackets for that period-
CL- 1981, 1987 (R/U- 1972, 1982, 1983)
EF- 1974, 1979, 1985 (R/U- 1977, 1984, 1986)
EP- 1972, 1978 (R/U- 1969, 1971, 1976)
PE- 1976, 1977 (R/U- 1970, 1974, 1978)
SF- 1970, 1980 (R/U- 1975, 1979, 1981)
SU- 1973, 1986 (R/U- 1985, 1987)
SD- 1982, 1983, 1984 (R/U- 1980)
WP- 1969, 1971, 1975 (R/U 1973)
It is quite remarkable to see how even it made the WAFL with every team winning at least 2 and no more than 3 flags whilst also every club playing in at least 4 GF’s with EF playing in the most with 6.
Of course it all got stuffed around not long after 1987 when the WAFC started stuffing around with the zones and then the introduction of Fremantle & Peel completely stuffed up WAFL footy for good in the mid 1990s!
42 I have previously posted on here that between the period of country zoning being introduced in 1969 until the end of the first year of the WCE in 1987 every WAFL club won the Premiership at least twice with WP, EF & SD winning 3 times.
Below is the club with its premiership year and also their GF appearances in brackets for that period-
CL- 1981, 1987 (R/U- 1972, 1982, 1983)
EF- 1974, 1979, 1985 (R/U- 1977, 1984, 1986)
EP- 1972, 1978 (R/U- 1969, 1971, 1976)
PE- 1976, 1977 (R/U- 1970, 1974, 1978)
SF- 1970, 1980 (R/U- 1975, 1979, 1981)
SU- 1973, 1986 (R/U- 1985, 1987)
SD- 1982, 1983, 1984 (R/U- 1980)
WP- 1969, 1971, 1975 (R/U 1973)
It is quite remarkable to see how even it made the WAFL with every team winning at least 2 and no more than 3 flags whilst also every club playing in at least 4 GF’s with EF playing in the most with 6.
Of course it all got stuffed around not long after 1987 when the WAFC started stuffing around with the zones and then the introduction of Fremantle & Peel completely stuffed up WAFL footy for good in the mid 1990s!
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Quite a significant difference between that period and what has happened in the last 17 years.
This is pretty scandalous if true.
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Well I heard from a prominent Perth benefactor who said an ex WAFC director admitted they deliberately starved Perth of its zones in recent years in the hope we would just fade away. They succeeded handsomely in the first bit but failed miserably on the second.
I wouldnt describe the SFFC zone as Rolls Royce, Claremont maybe, EFFC has a footy Blue Blood zone yet has faded from history for decades now. South invests hugely in its zones, you only have to look that whenever the country footy games are on its just about always South that gets involved and wants its regions noticed. That said we have had periods of no finals in the post eagles era.
Perth’s issues stem back decades and are a lot more complex than purely zones, one wonders why they voted for Peels entry if zones caused them problems making the pie even smaller.
I do agree that Subi success has a lot to do with financial resourcing.
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Well I heard from a prominent Perth benefactor who said an ex WAFC director admitted they deliberately starved Perth of its zones in recent years in the hope we would just fade away. They succeeded handsomely in the first bit but failed miserably on the second. Picked on the wrong club. There needs to be a shake up and as someone said just last week, if Peel opt to take the easy road and extend their alignment with Fremantle then they should be stripped of at least half their zone.
That would enable SF to take back parts of their old zone, EF can get a few off South close to the borders and Perth should pick up Applecross, Mt Pleasant, Rossmoyne and Canningvale. Then I guarantee you will see a much stronger colts and U16’s and a lot more players representing WA from Perth and getting drafted and we won’t need to be so reliant on recruiting. Oh, and the league ladder will look different, will see a lot more red and black in it on a regular basis.
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Why would the WAFC want to get rid of Perth footy club DD? Pretty iconic name for a club and not like they were bringing the game down. Unlike Peel, they’re needed in the comp. Just imagine if the pricktorians tried to get rid of Melbourne FC, there would be a rebellion.
If Perth had done WP and gone broke you don’t honestly think the WAFC would save it do you?
They would just break up our crappy and unwanted zone and hand it out to other clubs.
The PFC exists today because Brian Lawrence started up the centurions fund and introduced good financial management twenty years ago. Simple as that.
Another point. Bazza SFFC zone is gold compared to that of PFC. May I ask what you guys do in your zone, country or metro, that is so special?
If Perth had done a WP and gone broke you don’t honestly think the WAFC would have saved it do you?
They would just break up our crappy and unwanted zone and hand it out to other clubs.
The PFC exists today because Brian Lawrence started up the centurions fund and introduced good financial management twenty years ago. Simple as that.
Another point. Bazza SFFC zone is gold compared to that of PFC. May I ask what you guys do in your zone, country or metro, that is so special?
58 you ask why wafc would want to ‘get rid of’ Perth? Ask them mate, but they did. I think they thought they never win anything, got no money, zone is no good, what is the point of them?
Umm as DD said, picked on wrong mob.
Paranoia…