Does the act of looting only cut one way? East Perth have chosen their path so why should they receive the fruits of the 7 WAFL clubs but be protected from the looting going the other way?
The Eagles and Dockers players leaving various WAFL clubs for EP and Peel next year have already been “paid” for by the eagles and dockers to whichever club they originated from. Clubs that have gotten further WAFL use out of them have further benefitted from not having to pay them for that time.
It therefore stands that EP losing any non-AFL players they have recruited/developed in the meantime should get just compensation for them as per usual.
Still can’t understand how this host deal is going to work if Peel and East Perth get the same number of points to build a list and yet the AFL players are currently counted as no points and they will have all of them plus a full zone. Is this how it’s going to be and if so why?
Would like to see the zones of these two reduced to even things up or some other arrangement to allow recruiting the excess at these clubs with reduction in the points value of the recruits.
By the way had a good laugh at the Swans scoreboard.
Sorry bad choice of wording! I get you view point but don’t necessarily agree with you. The other clubs will get far more compensation for the draft 10 times or more.
Sorry I have to disagree with you on this point. What entitlement do you have to these players gifted to you? You are receiving resources of substantial value which you had no hand in producing or investing time or effort into. What are you giving up in return? If WAFL clubs want to pick up the excess players from EP or Peel, then EP or Peel should receive the same compensation as a non aligned WAFL club would from another WAFL club, AFL club or Eastern States State League club. You seem to accept that EP are somehow entitled to this huge windfall but should also be protected from any disadvantages that result. I think it is taking the piss to be propped up by an AFL club & yet expect not to suffer some loss of players or incur some substantial cost.
If the AFL were serious they would form a proper AFL reserves competition. Of course they want to take the cheap & easy option.
I wonder if EP & Peel would have entered into these alignments if there was a substantial or significant price to be paid. Nice to be propped up & have your local depth protected at the same time. How do the 7 WAFL clubs compete against that?
I agree with you we are not “entitled” to these players for nothing. But these players belong to the dockers and eagles - not the WAFL clubs. Therefore the clubs “losing” these players should not benefit as they have already been compensated for them.
The appropriate penalty it to limit EP/Peel points and/or recruitment availability in future as recognition of this. But a free for all on EP/Peel developed players is unacceptable.
hey puppy when the marsh boys wanted to play for east fremantle beacuse their grandfather played for your mob did you guys give us some compensation.i can’t get an answer.they come from our zone.one drafted already. is the other one a certainty.i hope you guys give us the draft fee.
Surely EP would have some players under contract & I think they should be out of bounds but I am not sure why the rest should be off limits. What is to stop EF losing 7 or 8 players in the next draft. What would stop that free for all? Would it be fair if 6 went to the Eagles & we play against them in 2014? I am not sure that EP & Peel should be totally protected against short term repercussions. I know you are concerned with EP being decimated from mass player departures but I find it hard to feel sympathetic given that they have gone into a host club arrangement for the second time. Also keep in mind that EF will have a fairly big hole in it’s player roster in 2014 which will have to be filled by less experienced players. It may take 2 or 3 seasons to fully rebuild the side.
I would have also thought that EP would have considered the perils of entering such an arrangement & were willing to cop what may come their way.
I never said that EF should be compensated for the listed players they will be losing in 2014. I hope most of these players are traded next year so we don’t have to play against them.
Out of curiosity, how do you feel about the alignment that will be coming into place next year? I am very relieved that EF are not one of the sides. Has there been any substantial complaining or resistance by the EP members since the season has started? I would be interested in your thoughts & feed back from your personal point of view.
Sorry Chaddy, you have lost me. I remember one of your recent deleted posts mentioned the high portion of non aligned players that beat Swans on the weekend. I guess you won’t have that issue next year. At least Dave & Grump bring reasonable coherent arguments to this forum. Tell me, do you actually support this alignment? From a lot of your posts it really looks like you do. If you read my posts I did not argue that EF should receive compensation for the players that will be moving. I argued what are you giving up for these gains?
Someoone correct me if I’m wrong here but didn’t Perth FC get the draft money when Duffy was drafted to Freo? or did they get it because he had already played colts footy for Perth???
i will try to explain the point system.all clubs can build a list to 130 points.colts are o points and afl players are 0 points.a teams local and country zone players are 1 pointers.all non zone players are between 2-12 ponts.to do a comparison i will compare east perth and swan districts and have used the wafl site which i doubt is up to date.here is a comparison
swans 56 local players at 1 point each =56 ponts
swans 13non zoneplayers =68 points
total players points 69 players total points =124 points
east perth 52local players at 1 point each =52 points
east perth 7 non zone players = 56 points
total players points 59 players =108 points
as you notice swans have 10 extra players and have used an extra 16 points and are still 6 points under the points cap.east perth have 10 less players and at least 22 points under the cap as they have less non zone players.i personally believe they may be at 98 points because i believe kyanga and monteath who are included as non zone players in the points are gone.
what does this all mean.east perth will not lose their local zones.the wafc may restrict the points these clubs will have to restrict non zone players being lured to these clubs but this will not affect east perth as we have so few non zone players and even if they restrict us to 100 points it won’t bother us but might cause problems with peel.as for those clubs who want to lure players without having to pay transfer fees remember that johnson is a 11 pointer and smith a 10 pointer so rather than transfer fees maybe the points system may work against the g7 plunder.
Agreed, in most. Player contracts should be respected, players tied to EP under development circumstances should be treated as usual.
How do I feel about it? In short, its a reality I wish seen fairly metred out.
I have said I agree EP and Peel should have points and recruiting measures restricted, but you can’t do this retrospectively as it may be too unfair to parties involved.
I agree the big hole in the alignment agreement is that EF and Claremont in particular have had a large contingent of players drafted locally over the years.
Why EF and Claremont have been so favoured by the WA AFL clubs in recruiting compared to the other WAFL clubs is another question, but they have benefited largely from this arrangement (until now) and will have to get used to the downside of this from now on. They should just accept that a player drafted is 30k in the bank (or whatever) and move along. That’s what other clubs put up with.
If they think that’s wrong then its time to petition the AFL for a better outcome for a player drafted.
What would happen if an EP or Peel player had signed a contract before or during the alignment process and at the end of this season seeks a transfer or release from that contract? Surely the conditions by which that contract was signed have now changed. Would a player not be entitled to change or amend the conditions of his contract or be released if those new or amended conditions referring to the alignment and playing limitations that will come with it cannot be agreed upon?
Your club align with an AFL club, will have AFL listed players walk through your door (at no cost to your club) and you say get use to it and move along.
hey puppy when the marsh boys wanted to play for east fremantle beacuse their grandfather played for your mob did you guys give us some compensation.i can’t get an answer.they come from our zone.one drafted already. is the other one a certainty.i hope you guys give us the draft fee.
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well considering EP have had the use of Cripps for more league games than what Harrison and Jonathon have played league for EF, consider that as down payment Chaddy…
interesting that you use the word ‘wanted’…is the EP development system that stuffed?..out of interest how much did it cost EP to get the likes of Johnson and Smith…30K each?..mmmm think not?..I reckon the car’s Bronte gave them to drive around in probably cost 40 - 50K each for starters…then there is relocation costs, match payments…mmmm what else?..30K from the draft covers diddly squat these days…especially for anything decent with experience…
I reckon if Peel and EP get all the local AFL boys then they should be classed as out of zone locals at least…3 points max…then for those E.S boys 5 points…then lets see what is left over…if you have enough for the likes of a 10 pointer like Johnson or a Smith then fair due…if not suck it up and get on with it…
as for the likes of Cl and EF having more AFL boys on their lists than other WAFL clubs…well there are two reasons for that…the likes of Brown came to EF as one of their priority picks for coming last the year before…Sutcliffe came to EF as reward for finishing out of the finals…as did Stevens when he was at EF…not EF fault that both WCE & Freo have an abundance of EF boys on their list…from memory Malaxos isn’t in charge of either clubs draft picks is he?