Keep pissing in the wind BC.
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what part of my previous isn’t to your liking bazza other than the fact you’re a rusted on sydney supporter? would you be so vocal if it was a player from another club?
no..not so simple. it falls to the reasonable person test..would a reasonable person deduce that the booing aimed at Goodes is racially motivated given no other Aboriginal player cops the same? i would say that a reasonable person would not arrive at that view. i would also say from that, it is quite evident the crowds reaction is targetting the individual and not the race. case in point, Bashir Houli came out a few years ago and expressed an opinion that every AFL ground should have a prayer room for reasons I can only suggest was to accommodate his Muslim faith…now given to current ground swell of discontent again Islam in the community you’d be excused for thinking the crowd’s would have reacted to that too…but they didn’t did they? for people to say the continued booing of Goodes is based on racism for mine is just showing intellectual laziness by going down the path of least resistance and being seen to be politically correct rather than looking for the real reasons why..and that is Goodes over the years has not ingratiated himself to the football public. I for one wouldn’t even entertain the thought of booing Goodes as I think its mindless nonsense but I do stand by for those who do because it’s what we’ve done at sporting events for a very long time and I see no reason for it to stop just because one particular individual cries racism.
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well based on the comments of the Eagles fan who yelled out “go back to the zoo” there was at least 1 fan who had racist undertones to his behaviour at the game.
Based on probability i reckon there may have been at least a few who were booing Goodes due to racist reasons.
like a lot of things in the world the minority ruin it for the majority, so those people that booed Goodes for racist reasons have now contributed to this, whether they like it or not.
so like a lot of things, we are told to stop - once again, its not your work environment, its Goodes’, so whether you disagree is irrelevant, you enter into someone else’s work environment then you have to deal with that, that’s the laws of the country.
fair point on workplace MO..but I’d be interested to see what happens if poeple continue do it..would they potentially be charged under racial vilification laws? if so, intention and the proving of mens rea does become an issue as they’re not strict liability offences.
if it continues after people have been asked not to do it then people are stupid, what they would be trying to achieve is beyond me.
if you are told that booing someone in their workplace is something they find offensive then you have to accept that and anyone that thinks that some of the people doing it arnt doing it due to race have their head in the sand, the Eagles supporter is proof of that.
and it means instead of talking about our great game and what happens on the field we are talking about this stuff.
I wonder… would a stadium of predominantly 40,000 indigenous spectators boo Adam Goodes EVERY time he touched or went near the ball … Hmmmmmm
“At best it is bullying…at worst it is racism”. Damien Hardwick
What is disappointing, saddening even, is the stream of drivel that comes with the debate on whether to boo or not to boo Goodes. The range of lame excuses that are trotted out to somehow make the booing right are self-justification that always comes with the insistence that this “is in no way racial”.
Let’s call this what it is. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.
Goodes wasn’t booed until he called out a 13-year-old girl in a 2013 game against Collingwood in Melbourne for racially abusing him over the fence. Goodes didn’t know how old the girl was when he heard the taunt but plenty have blamed him for her grief and discomfort afterwards.
Anti-Goodes sentiment intensified when he was named Australian of the Year in 2014 and made forthright comments about the obvious disadvantages his people faced.
He has been booed everywhere since. No, Garry Lyon, not just in Perth, but everywhere. This is and always has been racial. In the past few days it has become a cesspool of claim and denial, accusation and justification. Did I mention dogs and vomit?
Premiers are not immune. Colin Barnett says Aboriginal players should refrain from doing the dance Goodes did against Carlton in round nine, which Lewis Jetta did in support of him at Domain Stadium last Sunday. Barnett didn’t like the idea of Jetta and Goodes pretending to throw spears into the crowd. That is if it is a spear. One of my mates in Melbourne, who researched the dance after Goodes did it, says that when the Aboriginal junior team the Flying Boomerangs devised the dance a few years ago they were mimicking the throwing of boomerangs.
I suspect which of the two it is depends on who is doing the dance because they are not actually holding spears or boomerangs. It is a DANCE invented by a team of kids and they are just PRETENDING. To all the white folks out there who wish Aboriginals wouldn’t get offended by words despite all the injustices dealt their way over a couple of centuries, here’s a bit of advice: Don’t make a complete hypocrite of yourself by getting offended because an indigenous player dances a jig and pretends to throw a spear (or boomerang).
Thanks Mark Duffield.
What is gonna happen when the umpires start getting all sensitive about all the personal onfield abuse they get EVERY game…pretty sure they get villified each week with little protection or interest from the Goodes dogooding brigade…gonna be a lot people getting frogmarched from games mid flow then…especially when an aboriginal ump makes the grade!..why is Goodes getting all this concern and not the umps?..
Thats addressed here, its pretty obvious the comparison is without merit.
To boo or not to boo has never really been the question. Good sports frown on booing. Sure, we expect a crowd to express disapproval of a high tackle, late hit or missed free kick. We know all umpires are blind, favourite players shouldn’t switch clubs and politicians are never welcome for presentations, so on some occasions the boos betray a hint of irony and add to the theatre. But we don’t boo and jeer champions — not when there is no obvious reason — and not week in and week out. That is why the crowd treatment of Adam Goodes has been so different — and ugly.
Twice Goodes has been awarded the Brownlow Medal as the AFL’s fairest and most brilliant player. Twice he has held aloft the premiership trophy. At the end of four seasons he has been named an All-Australian. If he runs on to the SCG on Saturday — as we still hope he may — he will play his 366th game. Only seven players in history will have played more games at the elite level and none with higher distinction. With six rounds and finals to go, AFL fans may be running out of chances to see this 35-year-old forward/midfielder in action. Neither this sporting legend nor the children in the crowds deserve to have these appearances marred by mean-spirited shows of disrespect.
maybe you can explain to me why we sit back and marvel at Cyril Rioli, Sonny Walters, the Hill brothers just to name a few and cheer on their exploits but we boo Adam Goodes.
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You keep going on the same , what about the others mantra?
Its been debunked that many times its not funny.
Lol Bazza you keep posting quotes from certain people you do know that it doesn’t make them true its their opinion nothing else , what makes them an authority on these issues.
Have you posted the quote from Mundine yet, now theres are real pearler that should back up your argument.
Don’t know if anyone watched Charlie Pickering on ABC last night - here is a report on it by a Fairfax journalist
[i]There’s been so much talk about the booing of Adam Goodes over the past few days, and far too much of it’s coming from middle-aged white men who are keen to take up the role of apologist for white Australia’s racism. These commentators have joined the chorus of boo-ers, amplifying the hatred through victim-blaming.
They reckon Goodes deserves being booed because of such non-racially-motivated reasons as “people don’t like him as a person” (okay…) or his “bad behaviour” - like calling out racism. (Well I for one can’t think of any worse behaviour that’s ever been exhibited by a footballer, can you?)
Of course, this saga is entirely racially motivated. To pretend otherwise is to deny that racism against Aboriginal Australians exists; it’s to deny the wounds of our racist history and how the scars continue to fester into the present. This culture of denial and disrespect is today’s white Australian racism distilled - and on The Weekly last night, Charlie Pickering totally nailed the hypocritical racism of apologists who are using their considerable platforms to double down on this denial and this disrespect.
In a series of clips, we see the twisted logic commentators including Alan Jones and Steve Price have used to say the booing isn’t racially motivated.
“There’s still a great level of resentment for what he did here at the MCG a couple of years ago,” one reporter says, referring to Goodes calling out a teenage girl for screaming a racial slur at him. Yes, apparently it was Goodes and not the person screaming racial abuse who was out of line back then. And white people are still feeling the hurt.
Alan Jones says people just don’t like Goodes, and that’s not racial. “They don’t like the spear-throwing, the running in and doing a war dance…” Hmmm.
Steve Price doesn’t think the booing is racial either. “People are booing him because he has decided… to parade his indigenous credentials strongly.”
OK, so we’re all in agreement that it’s definitely not racially motivated, yeah?
So the only thing left is to work out how to distinguish the few racist boo-ers from the ones who are just booing because they don’t like him, or his behaviour, or whatever. [/i]
This link will take you to the video MikeH is referring to,
https://www.facebook.com/breakfastnews/videos/10153139945758983/
You keep going on the same , what about the others mantra?
Its been debunked that many times its not funny.
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thats because its a valid point that you’ve conveniently not addressed..but notwithstanding that…i’m just about over the whole thing. if people want to boo then that’s their choice imo…good luck with the AFL, bleeding hearts or anyone else trying to shut it down.
You keep going on the same , what about the others mantra?
Its been debunked that many times its not funny.
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thats because its a valid point that you’ve conveniently not addressed..but notwithstanding that…i’m just about over the whole thing. if people want to boo then that’s their choice imo…good luck with the AFL, bleeding hearts or anyone else trying to shut it down.
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Cos “no-one” likes Anthony Mundine,i think thats generally accepted, ahhh right thats cos he is oustpoken too on Indigenous matters…am i right?
it is their choice, however it would display an ignorance on someone’s behalf to boo someone in their workplace when they have indicated they see that as racist behaviour and have asked for it to be stopped.
The AFL is in control of the workplace and have also asked for it to be stopped so not sure why anyone would elect to do it to Goodes and think it was ok.
I believe an Eagles supporter thought it was a bit of fun to tell someone to “go back to the zoo”. He should walk up to Basil Campbell or Stephen Michael and say the same thing, see if they think its a bit of fun.
Not sure Unk…maybe Danny Green can tell us why???
After reading all of this, Im relieved.
We can finally confirm one thing. It seems the only type of person in Australia who can be classified as an arsehole, are white people. And therefore for example, Anthony Mundine is a wonderful, humble and great man who should be loved and respected by all, he deserves that grace. Well he should, based on these new found society moral segregational grounds. Under this new categorisation format, those are the rules for everyone.
So there you go. Its a new footy world. And now that the football is classed as a work area, expect 40,000 patrons to wear hardhats & vests and sign liability forms upon entry, and sign out on exit. So select your boos wisely. We can all move on with life now.
hahaha well said jardine. i think a blanket ban on all boos at the footy will do the trick because it’s also the umpies workplace and they take offence at being booed. Razor Ray is thinking of taking time off he’s been so affected by it. in fact, i think we should take a leaf out of the MCC members at Lords and politely clap when something good is done (excuse the pun) and just tut tut when one of your own gets cleaned up by a head high tackle and carted off on a stretcher…that’ll solve the problem.