Randall is Ex-Peel Thunder - would have strong links with Brad Dodd, likely the reason he is interested in Perth.
[quote=“BC post=239012 userid=892”]If Perth gets docked 12 premiership points, does it carry over into 2026 and 2027 if they don’t have 3 wins next year? 
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Thats actually a fair point, does the points penalty only apply to one season, given PFC records of underachievement , it could effectively be no penalty..
Dodd was at EF when Randall joined EP a few years back, would of thought if there was a connection between Dodd and Randall, Randall would of joined EF then.
Surprised with what went on with EF & SF, that EP and Perth didn’t run anything out of the ordinary accounting wise, past the WAFC first, to ensure they wouldn’t get pinged for breaching. If they hadnt, than surely that’s both clubs bad? Very costly phone call or email come end of the day.
I hope both clubs get off with a stern warning and that’s it, as the reasons for getting penalized sound pretty above board.
Good to see a sensible post on here.
Thanks, Freezn.
PFC have reported the so-called payment to the WAFC in a proper and open manner.
They have made a mistake by not including the Fringe Benefit Tax.
Big friggn deal.
It’s hardly cheating the salary cap.
Maybe the WAFC need to be sanctioned for not talking through the FBT issue with the Club when the matter was reported and not taking the opportunity to work with the Club instead of against it.
No, instead they have to make a big statement of justifying their fat cat status.
This is utter BS and typical of the bureaucratical fat cats.
East Perth may have run it by the WAFC Freez, when you consider the last line of the report put out.
“East Perth chief executive Dean Turner said the club was hopeful it would be cleared of any breach, given that previous WAFC board meetings had found that legal advice in tribunal matters was not part of the salary cap.”
Perth were doing it wrong clearly! You cheat the cap to win flags not second last.
Thing is when is this madness going to end? Never heard of this docking game points before a couple of years ago. Peel been in breach a couple of times I don’t recall the commission’s love child being docked game points before.
This will continue to happen eventually every club will get done then what happens when a club gets done a second time? It is complete madness and destroys the very fabric of the competition and that is to be competitive and I don’t see any of these breaches giving any club an unfair onfield advantage.
If any club, including my own gets whacked for salary cap breaches these days it asks for all it gets.
How hard is it for the CEO or club treasurer to pick up the phone and run the payment of legal fees, flights, FBT or anything else for that matter by the WAFC to understand if it should be included in the salary cap.
It just beggars belief that the clubs didn’t know which is what we say every time it happens. Clearly the WAFC is of a similar opinion which is why the penalties are so stiff.
BC these breaches seem to be for esoteric reasons- that the problem that people have with them.
I’m not sure I agree TFaF as footy club CEOs and treasurers should be across salary cap requirements as it’s their job and if not, should know when to ask.
I guess the basic question remains if the footy club didn’t pay for these additional costs, who would have? If the answer is the player, then there’s a strong argument it should be included in the cap. The only grey issue I can see is FBT but the others appear on face value to be no-brainers.
I was told by someone at the club in pre season not sure if it was last year or year before that our club asked the WAFC to come in and check we are doing everything right. It just baffles me. 4 clubs in 3 years don’t get too comfortable if your club hasn’t been caught yet. Do what EF did go out and win a premiership before you get done.
[quote=“DD post=239046 userid=1749”]I was told by someone at the club in pre season not sure if it was last year or year before that our club asked the WAFC to come in and check we are doing everything right. It just baffles me. 4 clubs in 3 years don’t get too comfortable if your club hasn’t been caught yet. Do what EF did go out and win a premiership before you get done.
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It was last summer DD. Barra said it on the Radio too. That’s why I’m so surprised.
Another thing is it wouldn’t surprise me if some of these breeches have been committed before and only now are the WAFC suddenly doing finer audits than previously - so clubs could be getting done for doing business as usual.
EP have given numerous players legal help in the past but only now does it bite them.
The punishment (if it comes to pass) certainly does not fit the crime.The rule states a player payment breech of 10-40k is a 12 point deduction - but for me this should be for blatant cheating - none of the clubs have done this.
[quote=“Bob post=239037 userid=4057”]Perth were doing it wrong clearly! You cheat the cap to win flags not second last.
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So Perth cheated did they? You GURU you.
The only thing they got picked up on was the Fringe Benefit Tax for a payment the WAFC already knew about.
You GOOSE.
Plenty of those doing intellectual gymnastics to justify the breaches and say the penalties are OTT were piling on SF when we were the first to cop massive two game points deduction.
Its interesting when the boots suddenly on the other foot.
So Perth cheated did they? You GURU you.
The only thing they got picked up on was the Fringe Benefit Tax for a payment the WAFC already knew about.
You GOOSE.
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Its more than that.
Falied to report FBT in relation to flights the club paid for players. ( this may allso reveal the club has been paying for flights for players as part of a deal)
And 20K in Super Payments not reported - same as EFFC.
[quote=“BC post=239043 userid=892”]If any club, including my own gets whacked for salary cap breaches these days it asks for all it gets.
How hard is it for the CEO or club treasurer to pick up the phone and run the payment of legal fees, flights, FBT or anything else for that matter by the WAFC to understand if it should be included in the salary cap.
It just beggars belief that the clubs didn’t know which is what we say every time it happens. Clearly the WAFC is of a similar opinion which is why the penalties are so stiff.
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While I don’t disagree that it’s not hard for the CEO or FM or Board members to check in with the WAFC before decisions are made, in reality it seems that clubs are potentially being penalised for ‘breaches’ that were previously not an issue or in other instances honest errors.
Is FBT something that should be including in the TPP cap? As long as the benefit that the player has received is included in the TPP then FBT is just a taxation requirement that the club as the employer has to meet.
if legal costs have previously been exempt from the TPP, why are they now being included and were clubs notified?
The WAFC fines clubs for smallest of indiscretions that have no impact on the integrity of the competition. Heard a story of a FM being fined $3k for a player not filling out an antigambling form before returning from injury mid-season. The player was registered and has been in the WAFL system at the same club for 5+ years. Another club received a $1500 fine for a colts player not being elevated to the senior squad before playing in the Reserves.
The WAFC must have a good Christmas party with all the fines they collect across the season.
What I’m hearing is there has been no findings or outcomes. Stay tuned I guess. In the meantime I bet every club trying to recruit the same players we are talking to are saying have you heard Perth are being investigated? Their season could be over before it starts. Thank you where do I sign?
It is highly damaging to the competition and TT we finally find common ground. It sounds like a cluster fuck for WAFL clubs to get their head around. Basically you need to have lawyers and accountants overseeing everything which is financially impractical for WAFL clubs.
While I don’t disagree that it’s not hard for the CEO or FM or Board members to check in with the WAFC before decisions are made, in reality it seems that clubs are potentially being penalised for ‘breaches’ that were previously not an issue or in other instances honest errors.
Is FBT something that should be including in the TPP cap? As long as the benefit that the player has received is included in the TPP then FBT is just a taxation requirement that the club as the employer has to meet.
if legal costs have previously been exempt from the TPP, why are they now being included and were clubs notified?
The WAFC fines clubs for smallest of indiscretions that have no impact on the integrity of the competition. Heard a story of a FM being fined $3k for a player not filling out an antigambling form before returning from injury mid-season. The player was registered and has been in the WAFL system at the same club for 5+ years. Another club received a $1500 fine for a colts player not being elevated to the senior squad before playing in the Reserves.
The WAFC must have a good Christmas party with all the fines they collect across the season.
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Has the benefit in this case the flights been included?
Also did the club pay the FBT for the player/s and fail to declare that ?
Quite a bit unknown at this stage.
Give it a rest Bazza.
We know about the paper bags SF have been using for decades.