Swan good to see we agree on something. 
But I am not sure that anything has changed constitutionally that wont allow her and her cohorts to sack another people elected Government.
But I am firmly in favour of doing away with the decoration in the top corner of our flag.Why canāt we have our own flag like the Canadian do?
My old man fought at Gallipoli and fortunately he returned. But he always said, I fought under that flag but I fought for my country.Never ever did he say he fought for the fla,because he always saw it a the Poms being in charge.And He would have seen how the Poms treated the colonials there.
Thank God he sacked him , best thing a GG ever did!
Excatly jardine, so true, this crap comes up as a standard distraction every few years and then fades away - The Aussie Flag is as popular as ever.more so than a few years ago,
Its like that other bloody thing. the republic BS, its just dragged up whenever a Government is desperate for a diversion and are on their last legs, Keating pushed it in his dieing days and put money on in some prawn in this cluster of a current labor government will drag it up in their dieing days.
Its totatly irrrelevant.
Thanks a/man. QE II did not and does not have the power; the Kerr who purportedly represented her took it upon himself to become Kerrār cur lapdog. Opprobrium is not strong enough a word to describe the late and very much NOT lamented John Kerr.
Thanks a/man. QE II did not and does not have the power; the Kerr who purportedly represented her took it upon himself to become Kerrār cur lapdog. Opprobrium is not strong enough a word to describe the late and very much NOT lamented John Kerr.
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I studied Constitutional Law at UWA and went through the 1975 Dimissal in depth , you correct Swan the Power is vested in the GG only., whether or not he acted correctly is a moot point, at the end of the day a Federal Election was held very soon after, with a massive victory to Fraser, the people spoke loudly that they did not want Whitlam.
I studied Constitutional Law at UWA and went through the 1975 Dimissal in depth , you correct Swan the Power is vested in the GG only., whether or not he acted correctly is a moot point, at the end of the day a Federal Election was held very soon after, with a massive victory to Fraser, the people spoke loudly that they did not want Whitlam.
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Thats what i awlays say BAZZA, if Gough was so hardly done by in this country of " a blokedeserves a fair go"ā¦then why didnt they vote for Gough???
UNKA2 so extrapolating: you advocate that whenever there is an unpopular Federal Government that Government should be sacked by the GG and we should have a General Election?
What a wonderful way of getting only populist ideas through.
Donāt they already do that through the media any way.The media rule the Lib party.At that stage it was a media blitz on the ELECTED government by the media Nazis.
Now now A/man surely you are not suggesting that the Daily Telegraph is the official organ of the Liberals during 2013 leading up to the Federal election or that The West was the official organ of the Liberal party previously. Surely that couldnāt be the case.
Didnāt all the media owners say that the proposed media laws would be the end of democracy as we know it.
Swan I donāt usually get sucked into political debate here but had to have my say over the flag.
I was of the opinion that the media was the Liberal party.
Didnāt Bat Wing Billy have to report to Frankie Packer every day to get advised as to what the policies would be for the day!!!
but maybe thatās just my Labor and labour back ground coming to the fore.
Thats what i awlays say BAZZA, if Gough was so hardly done by in this country of " a blokedeserves a fair go"ā¦then why didnt they vote for Gough???
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Yes exactly, there are a number of factors that are conviently forgotten by the small - very small pro gough crowd.
1 Supply was blocked in a historic crisis situation that lead up to the dismissal, this was brough on by the disasterous loans affair the Whitlam governement had engaged in, the nations finances were in a periolous state, no supply meant that no Public Services could be financed.
2. All that was required was for Whitlam to cal a double dissoultion and go to a general election, he chose not to do that, further aggravating the crisis.
3. The GG was left the the decision to decide and guarantee supply and the nations finances.
4. Whitlam had the option of an election or to sack the GG - to further delay the situation and delay and deepen the financial crisis further.
5. The Bass by election before the dismal resulted in e massive landslide victory to the Coalition, ALP became petrified of facing the people. It became obvious that the mood was for change in the Nation.
6. There was no legal or conventional requirement for the GG to consult the Queen on his actions.
7. The GG dismissed Whitlam to break the deadlock and guarantee supply, Fraser was called on to form a caretaker governemt only , on the proviso the a General election was called immediatly.
8 That was done, essentially the entire process resulted in an excercise of democracy - contary to the urban myths you hear espoused by the pro gough lobby.
So whenever there is a by-election where the vote is against the Government a General Election should be called. Fraseer and his cronies refused to vote on supply. Kerr will forever be held in contempt and his performance Melbourne Cup day 1977 is a damning indictment on him.
Finally Whitlam was elected in 1972 and 1974.
So whenever there is a by-election where the vote is against the Government a General Election should be called. Fraseer and his cronies refused to vote on supply. Kerr will forever be held in contempt and his performance Melbourne Cup day 1977 is a damning indictment on him.
Finally Whitlam was elected in 1972 and 1974.
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You aserstions in this post are make no sense,
firstly the Bass Election was not the only reason for the General Election. Would you have preffered that Fraser been appointed for a 3 year term with no election straight after the dismissal? Kerr acted correctly here.
The blocking of supply wasnt done by ācroniesā but by parliament fully withing its power You could also accuse Whtlam of cronisim for conspiring to borrow money from Kemlani.
Kerrs performance at the 1977 Melbourne Cup are totally irrellevant to the evets of 1975.
No I believe that if a government is elected in 1972 and again in 1974 it has an expectation, and further, should be allowed to run its full term.
Time to get off our mums tit and gain some individuality (our flag looks like 10 others). New flag for me.
Time to get off our mums tit and gain some individuality (our flag looks like 10 others). New flag for me.
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I canāt believe this crap comes out every few years !!!
Australia struggles to hold traditions these days as minority groups try to force decisions on the majority who generally are fairly conservative and not outspoken.
Leave the flag alone - Concentrate on fixing up this great country of ours instead !!!
So Chopper we are not sophisticated enough to be able to have a mature discussion as well as doing other things contemporaneously?
No I believe that if a government is elected in 1972 and again in 1974 it has an expectation, and further, should be allowed to run its full term.
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It never ran a full term in 1972..,you defeat your own argument.
I canāt believe this crap comes out every few years !!!
Australia struggles to hold traditions these days as minority groups try to force decisions on the majority who generally are fairly conservative and not outspoken.
Leave the flag alone - Concentrate on fixing up this great country of ours instead !!!
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Exactly, its a load of crapā¦just a diversion knobs roll out when they run our of ideas. Spot on about minority groups pushing crap on others.
I canāt believe this crap comes out every few years !!!
Australia struggles to hold traditions these days as minority groups try to force decisions on the majority who generally are fairly conservative and not outspoken.
Leave the flag alone - Concentrate on fixing up this great country of ours instead !!!
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Exactly, its a load of crapā¦just a diversion knobs roll out when they run our of ideas. Spot on about minority groups pushing crap on others.