This thread is not about Subi’s domination, if it were it would mention other eras where teams have dominatted. Imagine what EP achieved between 1959-1972, the PFC between 1966 and 1980, the five grand finals of SD between 1980 and 1990. the four grand finals of the 1960s by the black and whites, to say nothing of Claremont’s great effort from 1980 to 1996. Instead, the thread is about the illegimacy of Subiaco’s success. Let us be honest about it. Now, being honest about it, I think you would have to point to Subiaco’s advantages if you were discussing this part of the WAFL’s history; but, one should also accept that the club has been well run since 1980, had a reasonable zone, had a lot of luck with clearances and sponsorship monies, recruitted well and devellopped a good ethos, which when all is taken together with the club’s advantages, should at least be acknowledged by people whom are critical of the club.
I wouldn’t say well run since 1980, I would say from about 85 onwards.
Kevin Merrifield took over in 1980 and that’s when things started to turn around. Michael Carlisle then become President in 1983 which saw the sponsorship deal with Western Underwriters in 1985 propel the club ahead in leaps and bounds off the field and to a certain extent on as well with flags in 86 and 88.
Interesting figures there Beas. Now could you please give us the figures for the 40 year period between 1944-84?
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When the WANFL/WAFL was the real deal - EF dominated the league with flags, then WP and EP.
Subi were completely shite house for most of their exuistence , there was a flash here and there , but they had a revival in the mid 80s , before the eagles seat cash came rolling in, Bunton , some help from the League and new sponsors got that going, they also got given a new set of zones to pull them out the crap.
Yep - then again compare EF pre Eagles and post eagles.
there’s been winners and losers on both side of the ledger,
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Bazza…think it may be best to compare EF pre and post WW2 mate…LOL interesting to note SF and EF have won the same number of flags post Eagles mate…3…with SF having played in one more GF than EF during tht time…considering EF have been awful the last 17 odd years…the facts suggest SF haven’t been any better…wouldn’t of thought that TBH.
I’m guessing he’s a Subi supporter myself BH, ironic his avatar states 4 out of 5 ain’t bad and has Subi as the odd one out lol, i lol at the clowns on here all five of them that are going to support Subi in the GF they think they speak for all WAFL supporters.[/quote
Didn’t know those following Peel were supporting the Real Deal?
7 Peel players in that team supposedly from Mandurah.What an Indpiration that is to the local yokels down there!:whistle:
When the WANFL/WAFL was the real deal - EF dominated the league with flags, then WP and EP.
Subi were completely shite house for most of their exuistence , there was a flash here and there , but they had a revival in the mid 80s , before the eagles seat cash came rolling in, Bunton , some help from the League and new sponsors got that going, they also got given a new set of zones to pull them out the crap.
Yep - then again compare EF pre Eagles and post eagles.
there’s been winners and losers on both side of the ledger,
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Bazza…think it may be best to compare EF pre and post WW2 mate…LOL interesting to note SF and EF have won the same number of flags post Eagles mate…3…with SF having played in one more GF than EF during tht time…considering EF have been awful the last 17 odd years…the facts suggest SF haven’t been any better…wouldn’t of thought that TBH.
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Compare that to effc before eagles, scant return by their high standards, sffc never had the same success, now look at effc in last 20 yrs.
Longest drought in their history.
Mate every side has been through a drought…SF had a couple of 15 -16 year hiatus from 55-69 81 - 96…and a 30 year one before that pre WW2…true EF has had a tough last 20 years but not the first club to experience that…cant be in existence for over 100 plus years and not experience some pain…first real drought in the clubs hx …just hope when the drought is broken it is not repeated over and over again eh?
AR The fundamental difference between the current Subiaco dominance and past eras of dominance is the tenuous nature of the WAFL support now. In conjunction with the host club alignment the dislocation and angst in WAFL supporters is such that the future of the WAFL is by no means certain. That is the part I personally don’t understand the Subiaco hierarchy and supporters don’t recognise. And I don’t want this to be about Swans but merely raise it as an example lf the damage Subiaco is doing to the WAFL’s future. The suggestion that Subiaco will chase after Taryce Stewart (assuming he is not drafted) if Ryan is indicates the contempt Subiaco has for the future of the competition.
AR The fundamental difference between the current Subiaco dominance and past eras of dominance is the tenuous nature of the WAFL support now. In conjunction with the host club alignment the dislocation and angst in WAFL supporters is such that the future of the WAFL is by no means certain. That is the part I personally don’t understand the Subiaco hierarchy and supporters don’t recognise. And I don’t want this to be about Swans but merely raise it as an example lf the damage Subiaco is doing to the WAFL’s future. The suggestion that Subiaco will chase after Taryce Stewart (assuming he is not drafted) if Ryan is indicates the contempt Subiaco has for the future of the competition.
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Really the only angst I see from WAFL supporters are the few old people yelling at clouds like yourself and Grassy, like I’ve said before if you want to go back to the seventies and eighties contact Dr Who and borrow the Tardis., yes the WAFL needs to be tweaked but you’re delusion of getting rid of the alignment is a fantasy that will never happen maybe following Ellenbrook Amateurs is the go for you.
Funny how the views of just a few of us has done enough to illicit some sort of response from the WAFC to look at Qualifying Rules again.Must be more than just a few of us,otherwise they wouldn’t bother responding,eh Peter?!
Doesn’t mean they’ll do it of course.But it has stirred and annoyed Taylor,Rosich and even Shepherd enough to justify themselves and the current system to the ends of the earth.
And again Peter,I have to correct you.Here we were in 2012(not the 70’s or 80’s as you smugley claim),where the competition was doing just fine,having most clubs(maybe not your Peel so much),having worked their Arses off to attract an audience outside WAFL supporters usual crowds and attendances were fair and steady.
Then along comes West Coast,then your other mob grabbing the coat tails of big Brother,barrelling in and bullying their way in,sent things spiralling downhill,despite promises of increasing the profile of the Competition.Smart people knew what a bunch of Bullshit that was,but ultimately we had no say in the matter,except for Weakneed WAFL Boards to fall into line.
Can you honestly tell me the presence of the AFL Clubs has benefited the WAFL competition 1 iota apart from slapping the hush money on the table to the Clubs?No they haven’t and they have been Nothing but Trouble since August 2012,when they arrogantly announced the Worst Possible news for US!
I know they won’t leave Peter,but then their Reserves scam isn’t why they are REALLY here,is it Peter?!
AR The fundamental difference between the current Subiaco dominance and past eras of dominance is the tenuous nature of the WAFL support now. In conjunction with the host club alignment the dislocation and angst in WAFL supporters is such that the future of the WAFL is by no means certain. That is the part I personally don’t understand the Subiaco hierarchy and supporters don’t recognise. And I don’t want this to be about Swans but merely raise it as an example lf the damage Subiaco is doing to the WAFL’s future. The suggestion that Subiaco will chase after Taryce Stewart (assuming he is not drafted) if Ryan is indicates the contempt Subiaco has for the future of the competition.
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Really the only angst I see from WAFL supporters are the few old people yelling at clouds like yourself and Grassy, like I’ve said before if you want to go back to the seventies and eighties contact Dr Who and borrow the Tardis., yes the WAFL needs to be tweaked but you’re delusion of getting rid of the alignment is a fantasy that will never happen maybe following Ellenbrook Amateurs is the go for you.
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With the greatest of respect PN I missed one league game Swans played in 2017 (due to illness); how many did you miss of Perth’s league games? Maybe, just maybe, I have had more opportunity to gauge what WAFL supporters think about it than you.
what in the hell are you on about 42?..the suggestion Subi would chase Stewart came from one of your clowns on an earlier thread…tongue in cheek I’d hope…and what would you like Subi supporters do about the club’s dominance? stop supporting them because they’re too successful? vote the board and CEO out because we’ve won too many flags in recent times? get a grip on reality and not on your Johnson…
what in the hell are you on about 42?..the suggestion Subi would chase Stewart came from one of your clowns on an earlier thread…tongue in cheek I’d hope…and what would you like Subi supporters do about the club’s dominance? stop supporting them because they’re too successful? vote the board and CEO out because we’ve won too many flags in recent times? get a grip on reality and not on your Johnson…
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BC I thought better of you; I thought you were able to have a discussion without resorting to personal abuse. With respect to what you as a Subiaco supporter could do; you could speak to your directors and discuss whether it is healthy to be as dominant as you currently are or perhaps rather than chasing the cream of the other clubs’ payers that money would be better expended on your junior development? With respect to my comments about Taryce Stewart I did try to explain that I didn’t want it to be seen as a specific example but rather as a symbol of what Subiaco has done in the past.
what in the hell are you on about 42?..the suggestion Subi would chase Stewart came from one of your clowns on an earlier thread…tongue in cheek I’d hope…and what would you like Subi supporters do about the club’s dominance? stop supporting them because they’re too successful? vote the board and CEO out because we’ve won too many flags in recent times? get a grip on reality and not on your Johnson…
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Maybe it is actually you who needs to get a grip on the current reality of the WAFL competition BC if you think your club has not been at the forefront of the absolute decimation of the WAFL along with the alignment then you are in la la land!
The fact that the WAFC are giving away 10,000s of free tickets just to make a half decent number for the last ever WAFL GF at Subiaco Oval between yes Subiaco vs an Aligned side yet again should be a wake up call if ever I have seen one after they had already reduced the ticket price of the GF to less than half what you had to pay to watch for the SD vs WP Elimination Final.
Where’s my Free Ticket?
Swan & BH, it’s not up to the SFC to change things, like all other clubs we operate within the rules set by the WAFC, yes all clubs look to bend the rules as has been shown by certain clubs being caught out with salary cap breaches or pushing the points envelope, you would expect your club to look for every loophole that’s possible to gain an edge. Like Freo & Peel, they operate within the flawed rules setup by the WAFC, you cant blame them for taking advantage of that situation, don’t look for altruism from footy clubs!! It’s the WAFC that needs lobbying and after hearing from that doyen of football administrators Gavin Taylor it now seems inevitable that along with a strong review of the alignment in particular finals qualification, the WAFC will look at some serious equalization methods to help the lower clubs improve their performance and slow down the top clubs. Subi’s deal ends after tomorrow, that’s the first step in equalization but will take some time to wash through, remember Subi were second to EPFC in profits last year, so it will be interesting to see where SFC sits regarding profits over the next 5 years, especially with clubs like WP, Perth & CL taking advantage of their new taxpayer funded facilities and hopefully your club will be able to benefit from a future redevelopment of Basso and the 2 Freo clubs when Freo oval is redeveloped. These projects are fundamental to the future financial security of the WAFL clubs.
Bazza why were old east such a dominant force for so long? Did they have any advantages over the rest? Ark no doubt its an advantage for us, along with the other factors you mentioned contributing to our successful period. But what about our long period of disadvantage and mediocracy?? The wafc are doing nothing now and as Senior Seagull mentioned previously the wafl hierarchy did nothing back then either! It was the other 7 clubs who eventually pilled the pressure on them to allow us to get a liquor license to become EQUAL and in line with what the other 7 clubs had since the beginning. That being said I remember when the alignment came in Scowey said he will spend our money so that someone will be able to at least compete with these morons. Maybe we should have saved our $. Think about this, if we didn’t knock off the ferals in the last qualifying game, with the amount of afl listed players the eagles were planning to inject into them for the finals, I would suggest last weeks prelim would have been Subi vs ferals and this weeks game would have probably been a western derby gf…
DG: people at other clubs don’t understand the extent to which Subi was dis-advantaged once the other clubs gainned a social cub and sign rights around the ground. We made one grand final in that time. The luck we have had with our advantages in the last thirty years has been a case of good karma.
In relation the alignment, remember there has been two alignments in our history. At the start of the first alignment, we had not won a flag for fifteen years – even with our advantages – which was not good enough. During the first alignment itself, we were carved up by the Royals on a number of occassions, defeats which helped motivate the club to recruit players and coaches, includding German. Given this background of the first alignment, we had to recruit again to match EP and Peel it is as simple as that.
The job of the club is to win; therefore losing tomorrow will be a failure, albeit in successful in many respects.
Swan & BH, it’s not up to the SFC to change things, like all other clubs we operate within the rules set by the WAFC, yes all clubs look to bend the rules as has been shown by certain clubs being caught out with salary cap breaches or pushing the points envelope, you would expect your club to look for every loophole that’s possible to gain an edge. Like Freo & Peel, they operate within the flawed rules setup by the WAFC, you cant blame them for taking advantage of that situation, don’t look for altruism from footy clubs!! It’s the WAFC that needs lobbying and after hearing from that doyen of football administrators Gavin Taylor it now seems inevitable that along with a strong review of the alignment in particular finals qualification, the WAFC will look at some serious equalization methods to help the lower clubs improve their performance and slow down the top clubs. Subi’s deal ends after tomorrow, that’s the first step in equalization but will take some time to wash through, remember Subi were second to EPFC in profits last year, so it will be interesting to see where SFC sits regarding profits over the next 5 years, especially with clubs like WP, Perth & CL taking advantage of their new taxpayer funded facilities and hopefully your club will be able to benefit from a future redevelopment of Basso and the 2 Freo clubs when Freo oval is redeveloped. These projects are fundamental to the future financial security of the WAFL clubs.
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SS I am not sure where your information is coming on but it is my understanding that the Basso redevelopment is if not dead it is at this moment receiving the last rites. Claremont spent 3 years in the wilderness at the Showgrounds. From all that has been seen from the Eagles in its entire history Perth will be treated as a squatter (WITH NO RIGHTS) at Lathlain Park Oval.
Personally I can’t see the WAFL it any form similar to what we have in the year 2020.
Greenies hold the power on Basso council, redevelopment no chance at the moment