[quote=“westaussieguy post=230620 userid=881”]That is also my understanding, that superannuation cannot be paid to a person directly. Simply doesn’t happen that way. Amounts need to be directed to a nominated fund as it normally is.
It all sounds like a storm in a tea cup.
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No it doesn’t, who pays Super directly to the individual ? Answer…no one does !!!
Are players staff or contractors? If they are contractors they’d be responsible for paying their own super. Probably a few extra tax benefits if they are contractors rather than staff.
Seems a bit ridiculous we’re worried about these things. Doesn’t the points system make money less of an advantage?
Punishment should not be premiership point deduction but recruiting points deduction. Leave the comp’s competitiveness in tact.
Perth should be allowed to pay whatever they want and recruit whomever they want. No restrictions.
[quote=“Tiger Tales post=230639 userid=2522”]Are players staff or contractors? If they are contractors they’d be responsible for paying their own super. Probably a few extra tax benefits if they are contractors rather than staff.
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Employees I think. That’s how clubs made a killing from Jobkeeper.
[quote=“Johnny Leonard post=230640 userid=3012”]Seems a bit ridiculous we’re worried about these things. Doesn’t the points system make money less of an advantage?
Punishment should not be premiership point deduction but recruiting points deduction. Leave the comp’s competitiveness in tact.
Perth should be allowed to pay whatever they want and recruit whomever they want. No restrictions.
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I like that last paragraph JL. I’m pretty sure the Marvin report recommended something like that. Top clubs restricted from recruiting while the bottom clubs given extra points and salary cap concessions. Does the commission ever act on these costly independent reviews and implement them?
Wafl club players would be employees, that makes them staff. That is my understanding of it.
If they were working for a fast food joint, fuel company or some small business that is a franchise, they could be employed as either staff or contracter depending on the business model. Hope that makes sense.
I would let this season continue and impose four game penalty at the start of next year. This would leave them fifth at most.
This will be very interesting to see if the same penalty applies as SFFC?
[quote=“Senior Seagull post=230616 userid=922”]Listening to the post game radio review, the EF issue is, allegedly, that they paid the super to certain players twice, once to their nominated fund and a second lot to the player directly, which if true, and we do need to wait until some official confirmation, is out of order as you cant pay super direct to a person in my understanding. An external audit discovered this and advised EF who then advised the WAFC or the other way round. The report then went on to say it was technically not a salary cap rort as Super is separate from a salary, so if thats the case, EF might escape the massive penalties applied to SF who’s salary cap rort must have been significant. Either way the timing is unfortunate as it’s cast a shadow over what promised to be a ripping finals round. Could the WAFC have delayed the announcement? Maybe but these organisations leak like a sieve, so as soon as it gets to a journo, JT in this case, it’s going to go public.
As i said, that info is second hand from a radio report, I’m sure a proper clarification will come from the WAFC shortly.
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Paying people their Super Guarantee direct, um that is basically illegal under super law and is clearly a “bonus” additional payment outside of the declared salary so would be a breach 100%,
They may well have the ATO stalking them as well over super law issues.
I am told its around 20K worth SF got smashed for 10K over.
Get rid of the entire salary cap BS.
Total free market. cut the red tape.
[quote=“ArkRoyal post=230659 userid=1915”]I would let this season continue and impose four game penalty at the start of next year. This would leave them fifth at most.
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I am glad you aren’t in charge then ARK. At this stage what do we actually know anyway? I personally think we should wait until the WAFC actually says something and not self appointed spokespeople before passing judgements. Actually that should be the bigger story here. How have the specifics being mentioned escaped the confines of the WAFC and the EFFC? Very poor and unprofessional indeed.
You do not have to die in the ditch for your football club; you would rather what happened to Melbourne Storm or Carlton? Bearing in mind too, that if proven, on past action by the commission, it will be at least a fine. It also the same commission which has imposed ‘alignments’ and banned Subi from recruiting, among other things. My suggestion is consistent with a similar case in the SANFL.
[quote=“ArkRoyal post=230674 userid=1915”]You do not have to die in the ditch for your football club; you would rather what happened to Melbourne Storm or Carlton? Bearing in mind too, that if proven, on past action by the commission, it will be at least a fine. It also the same commission which has imposed ‘alignments’ and banned Subi from recruiting, among other things.
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Good point salary cap and TPP infringement are case by case. We know what Storm, Carlton (and many others) did. The same can’t be said of EFFC at the moment. You do though, need to know if there has been a crime and what exactly it is Ark before you can dish out a penalty.
TM: yes, fair enough mate.
So how long has the WAFC been fumbling and farting over this investigation? Was it not from the 2022 season, how long does a audit take?
Maybe the leak came from someone who had gutful of the fumbling and farting around that was happening at WAFC headquarter s
Funny, the story broke on Saturday and to my knowledge there has been no public comment from either the WAFC or East Fremantle on this issue?
This was in The West Australian last week.
"East Fremantle president Mark Stewart released a statement on Saturday saying: “The East Fremantle Football Club confirms it is undergoing an audit of its Total Player Payments for the 2022 season.
“During the audit process some administrative errors were identified that we are working through with the WA Football Commission. As the process is ongoing we cannot make any comment at this time."
[quote=“mikeh post=230688 userid=926”]Funny, the story broke on Saturday and to my knowledge there has been no public comment from either the WAFC or East Fremantle on this issue?
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Mark Stewart made an announcement via the EFFC website at approximately 2pm Saturday. SportFM’s breaking the story evidently forced his hand. Stewart was also interviewed yesterday morning on SportFM’s breakfast show. Seems to be nothing from the WAFC. Surprise surprise.
As for the leaking to the reporter who broke the story who knows. Brett Raponi on the WAFL World radio show suggested it could have come from the EFFC (including WAGS!).
[quote=“Bazza post=230667 userid=872”]Get rid of the entire salary cap BS.
Total free market. cut the red tape.
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What is going to save the clubs from themselves if there is no salary cap? Most clubs struggle to break even as it is. There would be massive pressure on clubs to pay the same players more money with no improvement to the quality of the competition.
Not sure we want the financial restrictions removed from a very well resourced West Coast and Peelmantle either.
What is going to save the clubs from themselves if there is no salary cap? Most clubs struggle to break even as it is. There would be massive pressure on clubs to pay the same players more money with no improvement to the quality of the competition.
Not sure we want the financial restrictions removed from a very well resourced West Coast and Peelmantle either.
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A curious feature of the WAFL is that 2 teams are allowed to play currently listed AFL players without any need to worry about how they fit into the salary caps or player points quota’s that the other 8 have to abide.